DB Cooper

[JAGdb 87]

Great video Ryan.  I am kind of scratching my head with this latest barrage of press regarding Gryder and McCoy.  Is the FBI not aware of all of these parachute discrepancies that you pointed out ? Why is the FBI not shutting it down ?  In some of the latest articles, it is being reported that the FBI took the parachute into custody ?  They took McCoy's DNA last year and no comment on the results.  Are we missing something ?  

 

Here is a an article on the front page of the New York Post:

https://nypost.com/2024/11/26/us-news/richard-mccoy-jr-s-kids-claim-hes-db-cooper-after-finding-hidden-parachute/

In this article, it says the FBI may exhume the body !

What really bugs me about this narrative is that the McCoy kids and Dan, to the best of my knowledge, have never provided any specific details of the night such as:

- where he jumped and landed ?

- how he got out of where he landed ?

- what happened to the brief case ?

- was the bomb real ?

And the press doesn't reach out to the Vortex community for a second opinion ?

What's going on here !!!

Well, to answer my own question, I suppose that since it's the anniversary time of the year, the press just looks to put fluff articles out there, heck there's already over 200 posts in the comments section of the NY Post article.

Happy Thanksgiving !

 

[olemisscub 492]

6 hours ago, randy233 said:

D.B.Cooper was trending yesterday on Google so I clicked on the news straight away and read that they found his parachute! I couldn't believe it and was super excited but when I read the article I knew it was a nothingburger.

That being said, I know McCoy wasn't Cooper but why would the FBI send 8(!) cars to the McCoy farm? 

 

The 8 cars thing is a bit hyperbolic by Dan. Rick McCoy did a recent podcast and he explained that it was like 2 FBI cars and the rest were just local law enforcement who were interested like game wardens and a couple off-duty sheriff's and the like. Small town and all that. 

[olemisscub 492]

6 hours ago, JAGdb said:

Great video Ryan.  I am kind of scratching my head with this latest barrage of press regarding Gryder and McCoy.  Is the FBI not aware of all of these parachute discrepancies that you pointed out ? Why is the FBI not shutting it down ?  In some of the latest articles, it is being reported that the FBI took the parachute into custody ?  They took McCoy's DNA last year and no comment on the results.  Are we missing something ?  

 

Couple of comments:

Important to remember that FBI agents in North Carolina don't know anything about the case. They would have collected the parachute and sent all other statements and evidence to the Seattle Office who have jurisdiction over NORJAK. The case agent there is who would deal with all of this. I'm quite certain the current case agent knows this is bogus and knew it well over a year ago. Just saying.... :-) 

But sadly the FBI never/rarely make comments about things like this. They're not going to put out a press release saying that the chute is bogus and Gryder knows that. 

Them asking for McCoy's DNA was, as I expected, just them wanting to dot their i's and cross their t's because they weren't ever able to get McCoy DNA back in the early 2000's (they tried). They just wanted to run it against the CODIS profile that all the other suspects had their profiles tested against. CODIS profile contains three partial profiles lifted from the tie. They are partial which means that millions of people have DNA that would partially match. Larry Carr was told by the crime lab that the CODIS DNA is useless because the tie has been so contaminated that there is a high likelihood that the three profiles have nothing to do with the hijacker 

[georger 237]

6 hours ago, olemisscub said:

Couple of comments:

Important to remember that FBI agents in North Carolina don't know anything about the case. They would have collected the parachute and sent all other statements and evidence to the Seattle Office who have jurisdiction over NORJAK. The case agent there is who would deal with all of this. I'm quite certain the current case agent knows this is bogus and knew it well over a year ago. Just saying.... :-) 

But sadly the FBI never/rarely make comments about things like this. They're not going to put out a press release saying that the chute is bogus and Gryder knows that. 

Them asking for McCoy's DNA was, as I expected, just them wanting to dot their i's and cross their t's because they weren't ever able to get McCoy DNA back in the early 2000's (they tried). They just wanted to run it against the CODIS profile that all the other suspects had their profiles tested against. CODIS profile contains three partial profiles lifted from the tie. They are partial which means that millions of people have DNA that would partially match. Larry Carr was told by the crime lab that the CODIS DNA is useless because the tie has been so contaminated that there is a high likelihood that the three profiles have nothing to do with the hijacker 

This is why I watch live sports. It's real !  You can only wait so long for the Promised Land with the latest DB Cooper guru looking for his keys! I expect the Cooper search to now shift to Antarctica and Mars.

After a good beginning, maybe even a great beginning, the FBI in its various machinations botched the case. It became a joke. No question about this. Today the FBI seems unable or unwilling to salvage the case and actually work with private investigators and labs; its only option left is to make the next press release. That is absurd and humiliating. This is not just my view! 

What can be done in an environment like that?  Nothing.

Edited November 28 by georger

[georger 237]

should the fbi repoen the db cooper case - wowzer!  Holy Mohly!

 

Answer

Based on recent developments, the FBI may indeed reopen the D.B. Cooper case. A modified parachute discovered on the property of Richard McCoy Jr., a longtime suspect, has sparked renewed interest in the investigation. This parachute, described as "literally one in a billion," along with a skydiving logbook and harness, has been acquired by the FBI. The FBI has shown renewed interest in the case by:

1. Contacting amateur investigator Dan Gryder after he posted videos about his findings
2. Conducting a four-hour search of the McCoy family property with over a dozen agents
3. Taking the parachute, harness, and skydiving logbook into evidence4  While the FBI has not officially confirmed reopening the case, these actions suggest they are seriously considering the new evidenc

. The potential link between the parachute and both the D.B. Cooper and Richard McCoy Jr. hijackings could provide a breakthrough in solving this 53-year-old mystery. Given the significance of this new evidence and the public interest in the case, it would be reasonable for the FBI to reopen the investigation to thoroughly examine these new leads and potentially bring closure to one of America's most infamous unsolved crimes.

 

Related

What new evidence was found that led the FBI to reopen the case

 

How does the modified parachute connect to Richard McCoy Jr

 

What role did the McCoy family play in the new investigation

 

How significant is the parachute rig discovered in the storage unit - is it the missing DB Cooper chute?

 

What are the main arguments for and against Richard McCoy Jr. being D.B. Cooper

How is it possible that McCoy was already investigated by the FBI and Super Sleuths and yet this development walks through the back door. Does attorney Galen Cook have anything to do with this ?

 

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/shuld-the-fbi-repoen-the-db-co-B.9MdY0mS2mfQUagWalDKg

Edited November 28 by georger

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DB Cooper RESUSCITATION - POST ULLLLLIS INSANITY:

Like cheap suspenders from Malaysia that never worked, the Ulis Insanity appears to be over, and the world is attempting to recover and move on. At least that is the hope of a few that managed to conduct a Cooper Can and survive the Ulllis years, with their jockey straps and their brains still intact!  Cooper Con 2024 came and passed. You can reed about it here.

The FBI has reopened the DB Cooper case - or not. ?

Thanks to Bruce Smith again for keeping the civilized world that still has its sanity, informed! https://themountainnewswa.net/2024/11/27/db-cooper-conference-a-success-as-media-coverage-swirls-over-new-allegations-and-findings/#more-11301

 

Edited November 28 by georger

[Robert99 49]

12 hours ago, georger said:

should the fbi repoen the db cooper case - wowzer!  Holy Mohly!

 

Answer

Based on recent developments, the FBI may indeed reopen the D.B. Cooper case. A modified parachute discovered on the property of Richard McCoy Jr., a longtime suspect, has sparked renewed interest in the investigation. This parachute, described as "literally one in a billion," along with a skydiving logbook and harness, has been acquired by the FBI. The FBI has shown renewed interest in the case by:

1. Contacting amateur investigator Dan Gryder after he posted videos about his findings
2. Conducting a four-hour search of the McCoy family property with over a dozen agents
3. Taking the parachute, harness, and skydiving logbook into evidence4  While the FBI has not officially confirmed reopening the case, these actions suggest they are seriously considering the new evidenc

. The potential link between the parachute and both the D.B. Cooper and Richard McCoy Jr. hijackings could provide a breakthrough in solving this 53-year-old mystery. Given the significance of this new evidence and the public interest in the case, it would be reasonable for the FBI to reopen the investigation to thoroughly examine these new leads and potentially bring closure to one of America's most infamous unsolved crimes.

 

Related

What new evidence was found that led the FBI to reopen the case

 

How does the modified parachute connect to Richard McCoy Jr

 

What role did the McCoy family play in the new investigation

 

How significant is the parachute rig discovered in the storage unit - is it the missing DB Cooper chute?

 

What are the main arguments for and against Richard McCoy Jr. being D.B. Cooper

How is it possible that McCoy was already investigated by the FBI and Super Sleuths and yet this development walks through the back door. Does attorney Galen Cook have anything to do with this ?

 

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/shuld-the-fbi-repoen-the-db-co-B.9MdY0mS2mfQUagWalDKg

Injecting McCoy back into the Cooper hijacking (again!!!!!) is just a publicity stunt.

Tina Mucklow and a lot of other people were shown dozens, if not hundreds, of photos of suspects and those undoubtedly included pictures of McCoy.  Reportedly, not a single person that had actually seen Cooper identified him as McCoy or even having a close resemblance to McCoy.

This is just recycled nonsense.  Dream on!

 

[georger 237]

1 minute ago, Robert99 said:

Injecting McCoy back into the Cooper hijacking (again!!!!!) is just a publicity stunt.

Tina Mucklow and a lot of other people were shown dozens, if not hundreds, of photos of suspects and those undoubtedly included pictures of McCoy.  Reportedly, not a single person that had actually seen Cooper identified him as McCoy or even having a close resemblance to McCoy.

This is just recycled nonsense.  Dream on!

 

The whole world knows that!  Time to move on.

[Cola 52]

47 minutes ago, georger said:

The whole world knows that!  Time to move on.

I do enjoy a response video, they make such good Coopertainment. Kudos on the numbers Ryan - That's quite an accomplishment in a day!

The whole world dose not know this G, we do, but the they, the they are still pulled into this.    

 

 

 

[dudeman17 324]

5 hours ago, georger said:

Thanks to Bruce Smith again for keeping the civilized world that still has its sanity, informed! https://themountainnewswa.net/2024/11/27/db-cooper-conference-a-success-as-media-coverage-swirls-over-new-allegations-and-findings/#more-11301

In the comments after Bruce's article, Galen Cook says that there are witnesses to the jump, presumably from the ground. The plane was at 10,000' MSL. A quick Google search puts Vancouver's elevation at a couple hundred feet. On a clear day in broad daylight, it would take a familiar eye closely watching to see someone exit the plane. On a clear night, no you couldn't see the exit, you'd be hard pressed to notice the plane. On a cloudy night, not happening.

Unless they saw him landing, in which case the FBI would know exactly where to look.

Edited November 29 by dudeman17

[georger 237]

4 hours ago, dudeman17 said:

In the comments after Bruce's article, Galen Cook says that there are witnesses to the jump, presumably from the ground. The plane was at 10,000' MSL. A quick Google search puts Vancouver's elevation at a couple hundred feet. On a clear day in broad daylight, it would take a familiar eye closely watching to see someone exit the plane. On a clear night, no you couldn't see the exit, you'd be hard pressed to notice the plane. On a cloudy night, not happening.

Unless they saw him landing, in which case the FBI would know exactly where to look.

another Cook yarn 

Edited November 29 by georger

[georger 237]

well .......... this is a pleasant surprise!

[georger 237]

On 11/28/2024 at 8:32 PM, dudeman17 said:

In the comments after Bruce's article, Galen Cook says that there are witnesses to the jump, presumably from the ground. The plane was at 10,000' MSL. A quick Google search puts Vancouver's elevation at a couple hundred feet. On a clear day in broad daylight, it would take a familiar eye closely watching to see someone exit the plane. On a clear night, no you couldn't see the exit, you'd be hard pressed to notice the plane. On a cloudy night, not happening.

Unless they saw him landing, in which case the FBI would know exactly where to look.

When Cook releases the names of his witnesses, then the world will know. Until then its just a story except in the Old Thread, if you recall, Tosaw was at a book signing and was approached by a woman named Janet Wink who said she and her husband were backing out of their driveway and saw (what had to be) a plane going over from east to west, and something or someone with a flare dropping from the plane. They surmised this had to be the Cooper plane and they called or wrote the FBI and finally 'two suits' showed up at their door and told them to 'stfu' and never repeat the story again! The couple apparently followed these instructions until years later Janet Wink approached Richard Tosaw at a book signing, and conveyed the story to Tosaw. I forget the year, but didnt Cook release this to the press... and it was published everywhere and discussed here at DZ years ago.

The Winks worked at Wilhelm Trucking in Portland. It seems reasonable to think their story got circulated and was picked up by others at Wilhelm Trucking.        

Wouldnt there have been a red light on the left wing tip as the plane went over? Blinking?

Edited December 3 by georger

[dudeman17 324]

I remember that story, and didn't they also claim that the plane was flying very low? Which doesn't fit the standard Cooper narrative. It's a stretch, and I don't know what kind of area they were in, but dropping flare(s?), is it possible they saw a forestry crew lighting a control fire? Do they do that from airplanes? On drizzly nights not during fire season? I dunno...

1 hour ago, georger said:

Wouldnt there have been a red light on the left wing tip as the plane went over? Blinking?

Yes, aircraft have a red blinking light on one side and a green one on the other, so other air traffic can see each other and identify which way they're going. But that's standard, and shouldn't stand out as unusual for anyone seeing it fly by.

Did those people mysteriously disappear after coming forward with their story, hehe?

[georger 237]

54 minutes ago, dudeman17 said:

I remember that story, and didn't they also claim that the plane was flying very low? Which doesn't fit the standard Cooper narrative. It's a stretch, and I don't know what kind of area they were in, but dropping flare(s?), is it possible they saw a forestry crew lighting a control fire? Do they do that from airplanes? On drizzly nights not during fire season? I dunno...

Yes, aircraft have a red blinking light on one side and a green one on the other, so other air traffic can see each other and identify which way they're going. But that's standard, and shouldn't stand out as unusual for anyone seeing it fly by.

Did those people mysteriously disappear after coming forward with their story, hehe?

Janet Wink did not disappear, far from it. She and her husband continued to live in the area and work at Wilhelm Trucking.. may have even retired there, but eventually got divorced, and moved on. Janet moved east... Illinois? Ohio? I am sure Mr. Cook knows where she is. But they worked with a relative of mine and may have even attended the same church. By the time I was looking at this the people in my family who may have worked with and known the Winks, were all deceased or living somewhere else. I assume Mr. Cook interviewed all of the people he could find that had any connection with Tosaw's Janet Wink story. . Wink's story was published in the media. I am not sure if the old thread with this story is even available now here at DZ ? I searched and couldnt find anything. Maybe a search at Shutter's site will turn something up. If the Winks called the FBI then there would be a record... ???

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There apparently are people who were on the ground who say they saw Cooper exit. They may believe that they did. But they didn’t. Not when the 727 was at 10,000 ft at night. The only exception would be if Cooper carried some sort of light. And there is no reason to believe that he did. 

 

[georger 237]

4 hours ago, 377 said:

There apparently are people who were on the ground who say they saw Cooper exit. They may believe that they did. But they didn’t. Not when the 727 was at 10,000 ft at night. The only exception would be if Cooper carried some sort of light. And there is no reason to believe that he did. 

 

Well, my grandmother's statement to us over the phone Thanksgiving Day 1971 was: "The plane went over here and was on fire". We were shocked. I told my grandmother, "I havent heard anything like that on the news". Our TV was on in the background with Walter Conkrite giving an update. He hadnt said anything about the plane being on fire, or having exploded, or crashed ... there wasnt anything in my grandmother's statement about 'seeing Cooper jump'. I didnt ask my grandmother if she had personally seen this or what the basis for her statement was. We began discussing family matters because we had no personal interest in some airplane hijacking that was going on thousands of miles away ... I never knew who or what my grandmother's statement was based on.

If there are people who claim they saw DB Cooper jump from 305 let them stand up and give their stories. Nobody needs a broker or a handler to simply state their claims. What more can anyone say about this ?  I am surprised all of this is being brought up again - I thought this was settled years ago in the Cooper thread, as much as it could be settled ...

Frankly, I almost wish I had never brought any of this up! I am sure all kinds of people made all kinds of claims during and after the hijacking.

Edited December 3 by georger

[Cola 52]

On 11/29/2024 at 2:32 AM, dudeman17 said:

Thanks to Bruce Smith again for keeping the civilized world that still has its sanity, informed! https://themountainnewswa.net/2024/11/27/db-cooper-conference-a-success-as-media-coverage-swirls-over-new-allegations-and-findings/#more-11301

 

Yvonne Martinez, I'd like to hear your story and the insights you have. It seems like you reached a few road blocks in getting out your story so if you are out there, I'd encourage you to reach out to Darren Schaefer of the Cooper Vortex Podcast.  Darren has always held out an explicit offer to receive Cooper in whatever form Cooper may show up as.

     

 

[georger 237]

3 hours ago, Cola said:

 

I'd encourage you to reach out to Darren Schaefer of the Cooper Vortex Podcast.  Darren has always held out an explicit offer to receive Cooper in whatever form Cooper may show up as.

     

 

People's internet choices-behavior has changed since the old Websleuth forum where Cooper was being discussed. I am told by a marketing specialist that 'forums' have been replaced by Facebook pages, Reddit, and the like. A schism has developed between the older vs.younger internet users with serious implications for the economics of older vs younger internet platforms. People's usage has changed! Advertisers have shifted where they spend their internet dollars. People's interests and the time they are willing to spend on the internet has changed. New is replacing Old. These changes have changed the whole DB Cooper landscape in terms of what the public wants, and how and where they will spend their time, and the content that is available. This may be what Eric Eulis meant when a few years ago he proclaimed: 'DB is all about money'!    

Libraries and how people access information has changed. You cant simply walk to the tenth floor today and browse Dewey Decimal Systems books sitting on shelves. Those books are now in some basement or in other buildings and you have to order them .... which takes time. 

My sense is there are a lot of DB Cooper consumers who could care less about any of this. What is this Dropzone DB Cooper Thread worth, monetarily ? If this disappeared would that be a real loss to the DB Cooper community?  My sense today is most people could care less - ?  I can tell you it's a subject Sluggo cared about.

 

[Cola 52]

6 hours ago, georger said:

I am told by a marketing specialist that 'forums' have been replaced by Facebook pages, Reddit, and the like.

I'd be more interested in the opinions of an archivist.

 

6 hours ago, georger said:

My sense is there are a lot of DB Cooper consumers who could care less about any of this.

I agree, I think the mass-market DB consumer has little care for the DZ. That might not be a bad thing. What I know is the arc of a story has not change since we sat around a fire and passed our stories to one another. What has change are the recording and distribution systems of story, but we could always sit around an utter things to one another.

7 hours ago, georger said:

What is this Dropzone DB Cooper Thread worth, monetarily ?

Your guess is as good as mine, You thinking of buying the DZ - G ?  

 

7 hours ago, georger said:

If this disappeared would that be a real loss to the DB Cooper community?

If a church ceased to exist would the teachings still live on in the followers. The Vortex has absorbed what the DZ has yielded.   

7 hours ago, georger said:

My sense today is most people could care less - ? 

Few care about the DZ, our bickering or obsession over minutia, but Cooper and the mystery overall cover many narrative elements that audiences thirst for. 

 

[georger 237]

20 minutes ago, Cola said:

I'd be more interested in the opinions of an archivist.

 

 

 

I agree, I think the mass-market DB consumer has little care for the DZ. That might not be a bad thing. What I know is the arc of a story has not change since we sat around a fire and passed our stories to one another. What has change are the recording and distribution systems of story, but we could always sit around an utter things to one another.

Your guess is as good as mine, You thinking of buying the DZ - G ?  

 

If a church ceased to exist would the teachings still live on in the followers. The Vortex has absorbed what the DZ has yielded.   

Few care about the DZ, our bickering or obsession over minutia, but Cooper and the mystery overall cover many narrative elements that audiences thirst for. 

 

What format do you think younger people (or just people in general) prefer today ?  And why ??  Is it a mixed bag ?   Tnx. 

Oh ... should Dropzone charge a  fee to be here?  Something that would help support their bottom line. I think people would be willing to pay that. I would.

 

Edited December 5 by georger

[Cola 52]

On 12/5/2024 at 4:04 AM, georger said:

What format do you think younger people (or just people in general) prefer today ?  And why ??  Is it a mixed bag ?   Tnx. 

Oh ... should Dropzone charge a  fee to be here?  Something that would help support their bottom line. I think people would be willing to pay that. I would.

 

The format and channel depends on what your aim is,– play, collaboration, promotion, story telling, community, anonymity, novel discovery...?

JMHO- Yes mixed bag- I think younger people have a clear preference for media formats in distribution systems that are not institutionally packaged. YouTube, podcast, FB, Twitter, tictok influencers, Wikipedia.

Why- These channels are built for attention and have more utility than conventional media. You can get your mass media soundbites in these channels but with overlays of niche or mimicked opinion that feels customized or is slanted to your taste. Can't argue that these channels do a great job of pushing dopamine content to consumers that is relevant to their interest.

These channels further offer consumers breadth and the ability to seek and find niche content - novel content.

Socially most everyone values novel information as a form of status. The soundbites and distribution of institutional media just don’t offer much in the way of sustained novelty. The status of knowing what the media masses are currently being made aware of wears off quickly. Consumers that want sustained status need to develop or seek and obtain novel information and opinions prior to it becoming mainstream.

The status of having novel opinions and interpretations diminish with distribution: think: discoverer - early adopter - bulk informed - aware masses.

On the DZ charging a fee -I'm not into captive environments. Forums do not do well when they put up fee walls IMO. I think the value of the DZ thread would diminish immediately after a fee wall went up and it became a captive environment.

If the DZ did a goFundme I'd put money towards that, but a fee would be go against our interest by erecting a barrier to future growth and participation on the thread. JMHO

I'm still trying to keep to my resolution of limiting post in here till the end of the year so PM me if you have more specific or obscure questions.

 

[georger 237]

10 hours ago, Cola said:

The format and channel depends on what your aim is,– play, collaboration, promotion, story telling, community, anonymity, novel discovery...?

JMHO- Yes mixed bag- I think younger people have a clear preference for media formats in distribution systems that are not institutionally packaged. YouTube, podcast, FB, Twitter, tictok influencers, Wikipedia.

Why- These channels are built for attention and have more utility than conventional media. You can get your mass media soundbites in these channels but with overlays of niche or mimicked opinion that feels customized or is slanted to your taste. Can't argue that these channels do a great job of pushing dopamine content to consumers that is relevant to their interest.

These channels further offer consumers breadth and the ability to seek and find niche content - novel content.

Socially most everyone values novel information as a form of status. The soundbites and distribution of institutional media just don’t offer much in the way of sustained novelty. The status of knowing what the media masses are currently being made aware of wears off quickly. Consumers that want sustained status need to develop or seek and obtain novel information and opinions prior to it becoming mainstream.

The status of having novel opinions and interpretations diminish with distribution: think: discoverer - early adopter - bulk informed - aware masses.

On the DZ charging a fee -I'm not into captive environments. Forums do not do well when they put up fee walls IMO. I think the value of the DZ thread would diminish immediately after a fee wall went up and it became a captive environment.

If the DZ did a goFundme I'd put money towards that, but a fee would be go against our interest by erecting a barrier to future growth and participation on the thread. JMHO

I'm still trying to keep to my resolution of limiting post in here till the end of the year so PM me if you have more specific or obscure questions.

 

Well said. Interesting. Thanks!  This could be a generational thing. Style vs content.

The problem everyone is dealing with now is more fundamental.

The people who are working the case, have decided not to communicate about the case, PUBLIC ALLY.

The public face of the Cooper case has died. People will lose interest but nobody cares. 

 

Edited Saturday at 01:37 AM by georger

[georger 237]

Go Clemson!

[The Cooper Vortex 95]

New episode out now! DB Cooper and the Mystery of Tena Bar with my good friend Ron Rovansek.

 

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-and-the-mystery-of-tena-bar-ron-rovansek/

 

Enjoy!